Curse

Kais Unduli · Sep 27, 2005, 12:50 PM // 12:50

I created a monk mainly for my guild, but I find that I love staring at the red bars. I don't like when they change color, or dip down to fast, so I try to make sure that doesn't happen. My monk is straight up protection.

The main problem with partying is the same problem a lot of people have. Most of the characters in game are idiots. I will call my energy when it's at 0 after a pitched battle, and yet the 2 retard warriors will rush in and aggro more stuff.

When I encounter a bad group, I try to tough it out. But when I get criticized for other peoples stupidity? I F12 it.

KaPe · Sep 27, 2005, 12:57 PM // 12:57

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Originally Posted by Kais Unduli

The main problem with partying is the same problem a lot of people have. Most of the characters in game are idiots. I will call my energy when it's at 0 after a pitched battle, and yet the 2 retard warriors will rush in and aggro more stuff.

Happens to the best of players. I helped friend finish Hells Precipe on another char(for titans later) yesterday and we decided to get some people as well. Everything goes well, everyone listens to calls, etc.. Than, after we meet "old friend", warrior goes berzerk - "I must kill him first, he has hundred blades !!! ", rushes in, agros everything, gets half of team killed

And he didn't believe our explanation that he can use SoC after cutscene.
Hard to say if you're playing with someone good, or if it is just a disguise. At moments like that you're about to say "F... it, I don't res him".

kawaii_bat · Sep 27, 2005, 01:22 PM // 13:22

When the smitting monk *rage* came out, I thought the same thing:... ''Oh boy! Now my monk won't be able to get into any group.

I would hear: ''Mo/W lfg.'' Repeated over and over!'
And I was really frightened for my own character.
But since my monk is a Mo/R everyone would invite me and ignore the Mo/W and all was well with the world.

(As mentioned by others) Mo/W hardly ever heal or protect and they often stay silent when asked which type of monk they are (Protection, healing, smiting).

But I don't see why people always want 2 monks on their team of 6.

If people protect me (that is if tanks keep ennemies in the front and spellcasters safely in the back). I'm able to take care of 5 party members(excluding me) at the same time. I've tried this in a farming group in SF and we got pretty far before ppl had to go.

It all has to do with the tanks and how they keep ennemies from reaching the healer in the back. Not with the quality of the monk.

If the healer has to heal himself and the weaker spellcasters more often, he's not going to have enough energy to deal with the tanks. So it falls back to the tanks to keep ennemies from reaching them don't you think?

It's something called: Fair trade.
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Most often than not it's Chaaaaaarge! (And they haven't noticed that the healer is about a kilometer away and doesn't have sprint)

Ayashi · Sep 27, 2005, 01:33 PM // 13:33

There is a beepload of monks in Pre-searing, yes, but after the first few missions you'll be having a hard time trying to find one. And if you go to a mission like Thunderhead or Ring of fire, you'll see how rare and wanted they are..

So if you wanna get a party all the time, play a monk. It's lovely

coolsti · Sep 27, 2005, 01:44 PM // 13:44

Can't wait til my 4th character, a monk, goes through all the game and reaches the desert and beyond. Then I am going to have fun! If I join a group as protector or healer I will certainly do my best job, but as soon as someone starts getting overly rude or continually plays stupidly (not waiting for me to recharge, not playing tactically and expecting to be kept artificially alive with constant monk healing) I will simply leave him/her be: no more healing, no more resurrection! Heh heh, I simply can't wait!

Dumeka · Sep 27, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56

Even I played a Necro/Mesmer since the first WPE in 2004 because of its unique playstyle, I was mainly a mage or priest in other games.

So my PvP character was a monk since the beginning and at the moment I have a ascended PvE Monk in the Ice Caves and my pvp monk still.

From what many told me I'm playing my class Monk/Elem very well no matter what combination I tried out so far.

Though in my eyes, even if anyone were the be the best monk of all times it still wouldn't be able to keep a whole team of 8 alive if the team doesn't work together.

What I see in most of the cases no matter in pve or pvp is that the most people lack on teamwork and many also on knowledge when it comes to their classes.

If anyone asks me what type of monk I'm, I say what I'm using at the moment and change if I have to for the party so I can support the team as much as I can so, I don't understand people that just say stfu and leave the team only because of such a question.

I came across rude people too though and I must say that I still stayed until the mission, quest or pvp round was done before I left the team instead of leaving in the middle of a battle.

I mean only because one idiot out of 8 sneaks into a team giving you names its not the fault of the others so... I don't see why the other 6 should "suffer" the same destiny the idiot actually should suffer.

Nevertheless what I hate most are ignorant, selfcalled "gods" that rushes a team into death (mostly warriors and elems) blaming me afterwards or people that rush into another team of enemies while I'm spamming that I have only 1 to 5 energy left.

If anyone needs ever my assistance don't be afraid to ask!

Joala Shoren is the name!

Teufel Eldritch · Sep 27, 2005, 02:00 PM // 14:00

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Originally Posted by kawaii_bat

But I don't see why people always want 2 monks on their team of 6.

Because it's doesn't require much thought. Because most ppl are lazy. Because most ppl would rather slog thier way thru stuff than use finesse, skill & original thought.

The perfect group for most ppl...
2 Warriors
2 Eles
2 Monks

Most ppl would just use that if given the option as they see no use to the other professions. Then again most ppl are morons too.

Zeldawind · Sep 27, 2005, 04:29 PM // 16:29

Hmm i have a monk now (its only at divinity) but ive finished the game 4 times before i started him (yeah deleted the 1 i didnt liked to play). but the who mostly call me noob or whatever are monks.

Its because i cant memorize every shortcut they use in the game. Or once in tomb a monk kept on calling me noob (he was in my party) because i had 20 fame (i just started there *doh* no wonder i dont have so many fame) and because i dont know every shortcut in the game.

Now to clear my point i like playing in the tomb, but because of those monk keep on shouting me all the time noob nooob noob noob stfu u f****** loser, i dont like pplaying in tomb very much. Well if we need a monk in tomb now i get a guildie or a friend or my advertise is: LF healing monk who isnt arrogant, grumpy or a people hater, i just want a nice kind polite monk. U know its me

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Let this be a message to those ppl just be polite or u might force ppl to leave and then u get another leaver and another and u will be all alone without any friends

wsmcasey · Sep 27, 2005, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Cartoonhero

i feel ya on that one. warriors get no love, but i know most parties would be dead without them. i also have an e/mo, and even with her healing skills, she takes damage way to fast. so NOT a tank. I also have a monk at yaks right now, and i plan on being pure heal/protect, and dont worry, i wont be an arrogant jerk. just dont bite my head off if i cant keep 7 other people alive in a huge mob.

i dont understand when people try and alter the job a class was ment to do, like the other day when i saw a ele with a bow...sure its good for pulling, but he never nuked a single enemy, nor did he do anything slightly elementialist. and get this..his secondary wasnt a ranger...wtf.

I've also noticed a shortage in eles latley, as i get into parties with my emo fairly quickly. tis quite nice. now if only there'd be a shortage of tanks..lol.

LOL, last night I was in a group doing some farming in Sorrows Furnace. We got about half way thru and we all died except for the monk. I said "rez us dude!", but he said sorry, I don't bring any kind of rez, I dont expect to be the last 1 alive in the group. I said "How can you call yourself a healer/protection monk and you don't even bring a rez for your party, THATS PART OF YOUR JOB! He commented: "Well your a warrior so why do you bring a bow?". I said, "WTF, its a long bow for pulling dude, part of a tanks job pulling groups to aggro mobs on you so your team doesn't get hit. Oh well, he was probably a N00b that was run to Droknars anyway.

jdwoody · Sep 27, 2005, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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THATS PART OF YOUR JOB!

Sorry but I really don't like that term, it's not a job it's a game! One of the reasons I hardly ever monk in PUGs are warriors who don't understand that pull is actually a verb and it doesn't mean run to the other end of the screen and make sure that every single creature in the area is alert to our presense at once.

As my monk if I point this out or even worse show them how to pull, I get told to "go back to the back, do my job and shut up" No thanks, unless I'm getting paid it's not a job...

Charcoal Ann · Sep 27, 2005, 06:00 PM // 18:00

i'm sure this issue has been done over waay too much on these forums. it is not part of a monks job to res. it is no more a monks job than a mesmers job. once the little red bars go dark they cease to exist for a monk. save the living. a secondary monk does the ressing.

of course everyone should bring a res of some sort. just incase.

also: pulling with a bow is totally unnecessary in most situations. you want to keep the enemies AWAY from the casters. not pull enemies towards them.

wsmcasey · Sep 27, 2005, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by jdwoody

Sorry but I really don't like that term, it's not a job it's a game! One of the reasons I hardly ever monk in PUGs are warriors who don't understand that pull is actually a verb and it doesn't mean run to the other end of the screen and make sure that every single creature in the area is alert to our presense at once.

As my monk if I point this out or even worse show them how to pull, I get told to "go back to the back, do my job and shut up" No thanks, unless I'm getting paid it's not a job...

We all know that its a game and not a job that you go to every day, you dont need to point that out to anyone.

For your information, this does fall under the category of a "Job".

Job
A regular activity performed in exchange for payment, especially as one's trade, occupation, or profession.
A position in which one is employed.

A task that must be done: Washing the windows is not my job.
A specified duty or responsibility. See Synonyms at task.

A specific piece of work to be done for a set fee: an expensive repair job.
The object to be worked on.
Something resulting from or produced by work.

Stop pulling damn it, save it for the rangers and warrior with higher armor ratings. I love my monk and it plays many different roles, but pulling is not one of them. If your playing the role of healing or protecting, then stay at the back of the group and do it!

Draygo Korvan · Sep 27, 2005, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Stupid people is the primary reason I stopped playing in random pve pugs with my monk. Instead I resorted to guildies and henches. I took a party of all henches and beat orazar's quest, I found it much more fun when i did this, playing with people that know I'm a real good monk and are good players themselves and dont aggro anything unless the party is ready.

Greygon · Sep 27, 2005, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Ollj

you dont ask a monk if he heals. Such a question just shows the monk you dont know jack about GW.
its like asking a warrior if it does melee attacks or a Ranger if it uses a bow.

just ask about his attribute points, WAY better question.

My monk has 11+ smiting 10+ protection and 10+ divine , never more than 0 healing prayers, and it still heals more than 2 paladins together.

I disagree. There are lots of monks that play smiting and can't heal. I would much rather know going in that a monk in my group can't heal than find out mid battle. I see nothing wrong with asking a monk if they are healing, protection, smiting or whatever else.

Mavrik · Sep 27, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

I walked into Barridan Estate yesterday... I was the only monk in a literal SEA of warriors lol...

But also yesterday, started a monk sync dance in ascalon (pre) with like 8-10 monks. Was pretty cool.

Monks are on the rise, But since I usually solo or hench... I won't be out there shouting LFG much anyway.

kawaii_bat · Sep 27, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by jdwoody

Sorry but I really don't like that term, it's not a job it's a game! One of the reasons I hardly ever monk in PUGs are warriors who don't understand that pull is actually a verb and it doesn't mean run to the other end of the screen and make sure that every single creature in the area is alert to our presense at once.

What stresses me the *MOST* are warriors who actually pull and come right back to where all the spellcasters are.

Stupid Stupid Stupid Idea.

We back off and he keeps comming towards us. WTF?

Now you've got like 5 warrior-type monsters hacking at the spellcasters while the warriors complain that we don't heal enough. Woah!

Egotism at it's finnest!

Seriously. If everyone played the game correctly you wouldn't need so many warriors to stop monsters from hitting the spellcasters, and you wouldn't need so many monks to heal those mistakes.

jdwoody · Sep 27, 2005, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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What stresses me the *MOST* are warriors who actually pull and come right back to where all the spellcasters are.

That is true, but in their defense I see lots of casters that can't help but creep forward. Alas we are all human...

Still there is nothing like a warrior who uses sprint to get to a priest on the other side of the screen and then gives everyone else a "GJ GUYS!" when there is no possible way to heal at that range and through 20 baddies...

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Stop pulling damn it

LOL nothing personal, it just irked me when someone told me to do my job. I don't pull with my monk, but after quite a few bad encounters I was trying to show them that you don't have to aggro everything at once.

(This particular case was the top of the stairs in SF, there is a group to the right and a patrol to the right. Running to the top of the stairs is a really bad idea when you can take care of the top two groups first. Want to guess what we did?

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kenjiglock · Sep 27, 2005, 07:41 PM // 19:41

I have 3 ascended characters that have finished the game (w/mo, mo/w, e/me) and i find that the monk is the most fun for me. No one has ever actually blamed me for a loss. Maybe it's because i actually know how to heal. Most people in game dont know how to play their classes. For example, when i was helping someone do villainy of galrath, I was the primary healer. The other monk in this Pug was some f*cktard smiter monk that would cast "heal party" every 5 seconds, run out of mana and to top it all off, had the nerve to ask if I was doing any healing. Or how about the arrogant 55hp monk we had in our pug group to FoW? He would always spam in chat that he was a tank; better than the warriors. A mesmer shattered his enchantments and he died very fast. Not to mention he was the most useless member of the team...all he did was cast prot spirit on himself and wand...he didn't even have balthazars aura.

I think this problem is not just a monk problem, there are warriors who dont know how to tank and i've seen a bunch of mesmer/warriors that think they're more of a warrior than a mesmer.

Oh, and btw, having too few monks is a good thing. This way you can use your monk character to 'blackmail' other groups. For example, my friend has a mesmer and i have a monk. Mesmer rarely get groups, however if I'll group with my friend, we can usually get a group to accept us both. If the leader kicks the mesmer, simply quit the group. This works especially well in thunderhead keep where people are always looking for monks

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KamikazeChicken · Sep 27, 2005, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by KaPe

I bet you could do it with full mesmer group if you tried hard enough, that's not the point. I simply doesn't see being hybrid in group and winning as a proof of my skills.

It does absolutely nothing to show your skill, but it shows something about the second monk. They're forced to heal damn near double what they'd normally have to. With a second pure healer, they'd be more likely to survive a horrid aggro without having half the team wiped out. With a hybrid healer, they're more likely to have half their team wiped out coupled with the major strain on the pure healer.

Assuming both pure healing monks are busy little bees, work should be split approx. 50:50

Same scenario with a hybrid substituted as second healer: work is probably approx: 75:25 or worse

Now the hybrid is drained from spamming god only knows what, and the pure is drained form healing to compensate for the others' lack of healing. Two drained monks! Woo hoo. >.>

Hybrids lack proper energy management, diversity in healing ability, and overall usefulness in ever-changing situations. I don't think the perogative of screwing the pure healing monk is fair to run a hybrid under false advertising. (Yes, calling yourself a "healer" when you're actually a hybrid is false advertising.) Why should you make them do more work to run an obsolete character? Hybrids can work, but they're not nearly as effective for PvE.

Crazyvietguy · Sep 27, 2005, 09:28 PM // 21:28

I agree with everything that is said here, I'm a monk myself, my first character is a monk, i do like it when i walk into a mission i instantly get join requests. All this aside, I still have to play the monk smart. Most people think the monk will save me.. true, yet, you have to put out a little effort yourself. I had a warrior once, Abbadons Mouth- Was not infused and was yelling at me because i couldnt heal him in the 2 seconds before he was roasted. I asked him if he was infused, then he logged off. I'm not arrogant, mean, stupid. However, If theres a strange reason your dying uncontrolably fast and you yell at me about it (while everyone else seems to be doing just fine) then ill be nice at first, but if it continues my rez skill will not work properly for you. Another thing is the lack of understanding that monks CANT FIGHT. I know your thinking.. well if i run my smite build i can pwn that shadow elementalist, WRONG. I try to work with the team, teams dont invite you to smite the enemies, they invite you to heal. There are plenty of offensive builds out there, besides the few for monks. I agree with the guy above me 100%. Do not advertiese "Healing monk lfg" then when we get out there, Im the only one really healing. Your off Smiting to death, or better yet, Your using another class.

As i said im a monk myself, i enjoy being a monk. However, i dont enjoy other monks who slack off and leave me as the main healer. Not saying that every monk in the game is like this. Im saying (to the ones who are stupid healers) please if your gunna heal go ahead and do it. We are not one man teams, If i could beat all the missions with just my monk, i probably would have quit this game ages ago. All groups need other classes to succeed.